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[00:00:00] Angela Kennecke: You've probably heard of a mother's intuition. It's that special instinct that mothers seem to have when it comes to their children's wellbeing. But have you ever wondered about other types of intuition? On this episode of Grieving Out Loud, we're sitting down with Katie Beecher, an internationally known medical and spiritual intuitive. As an intuitive, Katie doesn't rely on modern medicine to find the cause of physical, emotional, or spiritual conditions. Instead, she uses her intuition. 

[00:00:34] Katie Beecher: I know. It's, it's a little crazy. It's a little weird that I know so much about people with just their name and age, like, you know, I get But I try to be very practical and I teach people how to connect to their intuition, and I look at what can we start doing, Real concrete things to start solving these issues. 

[00:00:54] Angela Kennecke: Issues that range from gut health to grief..

[00:00:58] Katie Beecher: One of the things that I, 

love to do is to teach people that they can connect to their loved ones in spirit. And I don't feel like there's anything special about me.

I mean, I have these crazy abilities, but our loved ones in spirit wanna talk to. Far more than they wanna talk to some stranger. You know, mediumship is great and you can get all kinds of information and feel better about it. And I love, love, love doing it. But our loved ones in spirit can hear us. They can feel us. They send us signals all the time. 

[00:01:32] Angela Kennecke: Welcome to Grieving Out Loud. I'm Angela Kennecke, your host, and I'm so glad that you're tuning in today. We have a very special guest.

She's an intuitive who uses her gifts to help those who are battling addiction and grief. It's an unconventional approach to healing, and I can't wait to learn more about it.

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[00:01:55] Angela Kennecke: Katie, I would like to welcome you to Grieving Out Loud. Thank you so much for being with me today. 

[00:02:00] Katie Beecher: Thank you for inviting me. Pleasure to be here. 

[00:02:03] Angela Kennecke: Let's start off by talking about what is a medical intuitive person? I mean, explain a little bit about what you do. 

[00:02:10] Katie Beecher: Sure. So I work very differently from most other medical intuitives, but the general concept is that, We can kind of see it to people's bodies and to their energy. Know a lot about what's going on in people's lives. I work physically, emotionally, and spiritually and to look at the root causes for what's going on in people's lives to try to remedy, you know, any problems that they're having. But I also work with people on connecting to intuition. You know, life purpose, relationships healing trauma. All that kind of stuff. So it's not exclusively people that are having issues. And I do work with a lot of people who are going through a grief process. 

[00:02:56] Angela Kennecke: How did you happen to get into this line of work? How did you know that you could see kind of what's going on with somebody or sense the energy?

[00:03:05] Katie Beecher: From a very young age, I've always been able to pick up on people's energy and their thoughts and feeling. Both being an empath but also I knew that there were, beings kind of spirits around and I would pick up on people who had passed away. And I kind of, you know, knew things before they were gonna happen, all that kind of kind of weird stuff.

And when you're young it just feels very natural. So I didn't really think about it that much. I didn't really realize that it was anything different. And at some point I started to pick up on negative. And that was really scary. So I did not want anything to do with any kind of weird abilities or anything like that. But it was so much a part of me that I couldn't ignore it. 

And when I was 12, I started to develop a pretty severe eating disorder and then it developed into bulimia and I was suicidal. And it really was divine intervention that led me to contact our pediatrician. When I was 16, I came home from school. I had never told anybody what I was doing, including my parents. And I just called and said, this is what I'm doing. And asked for the name of a therapist and he recommended a Jungian counselor who Jungian people are very open to intuition, you know? And so she helped me connect with that. Learned to love and accept myself and my body and learned to deal with the problems that I was having, the eating disorder and depression and things in a different way.

I learned to talk to it like a friend and see what the purpose was and, you know, work through things. So that led me to learning more about these abilities that I had. And they've just kind of been developing ever since. 

[00:04:53] Angela Kennecke: It's so interesting to me because, First of all, it was the eighties. And so people didn't really talk about these things or let alone seek help much of the time. 

[00:05:03] Katie Beecher: Yeah. He actually said to me I'm sure you'll be fine. And I said, I'm throwing up three times a day. I'm not gonna be fine. I'm gonna end up dead. So I, you know, I'm glad that I pushed it. 

[00:05:16] Angela Kennecke: So explain to me the difference between. What you are, what powers you have are possess and a psychic. Is there a difference? 

[00:05:24] Katie Beecher: Yeah. I think there's a big difference. The way that I work, as I said, is really different. Just using someone's name and age, I create an extensive four page report about everything going on in their life and an intuitive soul painting. And so I send all of that information before we even. And then when we meet, we go over the information. We look at everything that's going on in a person's life and do a lot of problem solving. You know, a lot of looking at what, what we can do together. What are the emotional and spiritual things? What are physical things?

I cannot legally or ethically diagnosed. There are people who do what I do, who do, and that's not okay. You know, I refer to other practitioner. I like to think about what I do as not very woo-hoo. I know. It's, it's a little crazy. It's a little weird that I know so much about people with just their name and age, like, you know, I get But I try to be very practical and I teach people how to connect to their intuition, and I look at what can we start doing, Real concrete things to start solving these issues. I'm a licensed counselor too, so, you know, . I get my information first from my guides and then, you know, the experience is also really, really valuable because I have a background in things like sexual abuse or eating disorders or, you know, mental health and and addiction.

So I combine all that and I feel like, and I'm not putting down people who do psychic but I feel like that's kind of more like predicting the future or, you know, am I gonna meet my soulmate or that kind of stuff. And I really take what I do very seriously. I really trust that people, you know, trust me with their health and life. And I am a medium too. I do get information from people's loved ones and spirits. And I kind of incorporate that into the readings as. 

But I've been described as a non woowoo WOOWOO person. 

[00:07:25] Angela Kennecke: Well, whatever that means. But it does sound really interesting to me that you also are a licensed counselor, so you have that training in therapy in addition to these. Extra, I would call them extra things that you do or how we were able to see people or how you're able to see energy have you reconciled in yourself these abilities. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like when you were young, you talk about just some things sort of coming naturally and then some things kind of being frightening as you got older. And did any of those things lead to your mental health issues that you faced as a teenager? 

[00:07:59] Katie Beecher: Yeah, that's a really good question. I feel like not being able to be authentic and not loving and accepting myself and feeling very different from other people, especially the people in my family were a big contributor to the mental health issues, and I didn't have anyone that I could talk to about the things that I was experiencing.

Thank God I had my grandparents. I was very close to them, but I just couldn't really talk about it. So when I went to the Youngian therapist and she basically validated all of the things that I was feeling and thinking and said, you're not weird at all. And this is a huge part of who you are, and it's important to embrace it and also to not be afraid of what you're receiving. Love is always more powerful than negativity or evil. 

So a lot of people are afraid to open up to their intuition or maybe to talk to their loved ones in spirit because they think they're opening up this door of evil. and I don't, I don't think about it that way. I think about it more that if you're a good person and connected to love, that you're protected. I Definit. Am channeling a lot of love when I do this work.

[00:09:15] Angela Kennecke: Have you ever discovered something about somebody medically that they weren't prepared for? Or do you not tell people everything that you might sense or know?

[00:09:27] Katie Beecher: my guides discover a lot of things medically and otherwise that people don't really necessarily know what to do with, or, or maybe they've never shared. So I am very careful about what I talk about. I don't wanna scare anyone. And like I said, it is not my place legally or ethically to tell someone that they have cancer or, you know, things like that.

I will tell them the symptoms that I'm picking up. I will say it could be symptoms similar to X, Y, Z and refer them. You know, to practitioners who can verify what we're thinking about get testing, things like that. But I'm, I'm very, very, very careful to help people to feel safe, 

[00:10:10] Angela Kennecke: how often are you correct with those feelings that someone has something, whatever it might be? , 

[00:10:17] Katie Beecher: I guess because of my background I wanted some. So many years ago we did an informal study. I mean, me and I was part of a peer reviewed journal that was directed by a medical doctor. 

so we gave questionnaires to 75 of my patients looking for accuracy. And then also some of them gave me access to their medical records to talk to their physicians. So to just show that this is what came out in the. Because it's all in writing. And then these are the things that were already in their medical records, you know, before they talked to me.

And my accuracy came out to 97%. 

[00:10:57] Angela Kennecke: Wow.

[00:10:58] Katie Beecher: Pretty, pretty good. 

[00:10:59] Angela Kennecke: That's real, real. Very interesting. I'm always interested in the data as a journalist, so, you know, I think that's great that you have some,

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[00:11:07] Angela Kennecke: We did some digging into research about medical intuitives and also found a study from 2020 on the National Library of Medicine website. During this study, medical intuitives examined 67 adult women. The intuitives had a 94% accuracy rate in identifying the primary physical issues and a hundred percent accuracy rate for detecting the secondary physical issue.

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[00:11:40] Katie Beecher: Interesting is I was trying to do some research to see if there were actually other like, you know, articles and journals or things like that, and I could only find things about nurses and intuition and didn't find anything about medical doctors.

And I thought that was kind of sad because I think that the best practitioners have a huge amount of medical intuitive ability. 

[00:12:05] Angela Kennecke: Sure. Right, because sometimes it is just a hunch they hear some symptoms or what's going on with the patient and they have to go on their hunch right before they get everything confirmed 

[00:12:15] Katie Beecher: exactly. Or just what part of the body is, is hurting or, they'll say it's experience. But I think it's, it's a combination of experience and really, really good ability to tune into the body and to the person. And you know, I like to think that I definitely. My experience as well as the information from my guides.

[00:12:34] Angela Kennecke: We have so many people who listen to this podcast who are in the midst of grief. They may be at a different place on their grief journey, some, a little further along than others. But we had a lot of moms and dads and grandparents, listening to this podcast. And how does grief manifest itself in the body, do you think?

[00:12:53] Katie Beecher: So many ways. First of all, there's so many different types of grief and there's definitely grieving for lost loved ones. And then there's grieving for the memories maybe that you had with them, the times you had with them. Things like for people who are ill things that they used to be able to do that they can't now. So there's so many different types of grief and it's really important to recognize that everyone breathes differently. 

I have seen it so many times that it can do the obvious things like, you know, problems with your adrenals and cortisol and things. But I've seen it settle in so many areas of body, whether it's aches and pains. Anxiety and depression, which you know, is another one of those duh, 

[00:13:35] Angela Kennecke: Yeah. Right. I think everybody in the first stages of grief would tell you they have just so much anxiety. Right. I never had had a panic attack in my life until after Emily died that I can remember or know of. And, you know, I felt horrible panic. Your whole world is shaken. 

[00:13:50] Katie Beecher: Exactly. 

[00:13:51] Angela Kennecke: Mm-hmm.

[00:13:51] Katie Beecher: But even things like changes in heart rate or he. Kind of an emptiness in the chest or a heaviness on the chest, having trouble breathing, you know, maybe forgetting to breathe or holding your breath. Gastrointestinal stuff for sure. You know 

even issues with things in the throat, things like maybe a barrett or indigestion or trouble swallowing because there's all of these feelings as you know. You want to get out, but maybe there are no words for them or words don't do it. You know, or you've talked about it so much and cried so much, and, and what do you do with all of this?

[00:14:32] Angela Kennecke: I would say we don't have words to adequately express the deepest of emotions. we just don't. Words don't really help. And I'm a person, I always say I'm a wordsmith. I write for a living and I didn't have the words really, the adequate words to put what I felt and what I experienced. I just didn't, 

[00:14:53] Katie Beecher: no, no, exactly. I mean, that's why I love symbolism so much, and. What gave me the idea other than divine intervention to do the so intuitive soul paintings for people because the body feels things symbolically and doesn't need words, doesn't have words. So when I create the soul paintings they're a depiction. They're all very, very different, but they're basically a depiction of people's bodies and their energy and their lives. I can point out things in that or get information in a symbolic way that can open up conversations that can say, wow, I'm getting kind of this gray feeling around this area or this inflammation here, or things like that. And it opens up a conversation about, well, well, what am I feeling there? And when did it start? And I didn't even realize that that was connect. And I love art therapy as a tool for dealing with grief and addiction, you know, cause you don't know what's there just gets processed at such a deep level.

[00:15:57] Angela Kennecke: So we talk about how grief can present itself in the body. What are some ways that you think are healthy for people to work through their grief? So maybe they don't develop health problems down the road. Because of it. I mean, I think a lot of health problems do come from the trauma we experience in our lives.

[00:16:16] Katie Beecher: Absolutely. Oh my God, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, my whole book is about that, you know, looking at all of the root causes for everything going on in your life from the time you were born, 

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[00:16:26] Angela Kennecke: The title of Katie's book is , Heal From Within a Guidebook to Intuitive Wellness. In it, Katie shares her step-by-step approach to physical, emotional, and spiritual health. You can learn more about her book by checking out the show notes in this podcast. While you're there, we'd appreciate it if you give this episode a positive review.

By doing so, you help us advance our mission of raising awareness about our nation's deadly drug epidemic and providing support to those who have suffered losses as a result.

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[00:17:05] Katie Beecher: One of the things that I believe is incredibly effective for dealing with grief addiction trauma is connecting to your intuition. And what I mean by that Carl Young called Intuition, God. And the way that it was introduced to me, the way that I use it, and I still use this technique and it might be something that the listeners can use, and again, it's in my book, but I think about intuition as this all-knowing force that is complete and utter love.

It loves you and accepts you unconditionally. It's always with you keeping you safe. There's no judgment. It doesn't care if you've showered or if you have makeup on or, you know, whatever. It just loves you, like your pet, you know? 

 And that for me, when I started my healing process, was God, I connected to God and God as our source. So there was no judgment. There was just love. You know, I didn't have that earlier. I didn't even know who I was. To be able to connect to a source of unconditional love that I like to call this perfect best friend that's always with you, keeping you safe I think is very valuable because even if you're by yourself, you feel less alone.

And what other people around you are doing is less important. If you have that core, of self-love, and my favorite technique for that is to physically write out a question or your statement or. And direct it to your intuition. And then whatever you get, write that down and write back to it and write that down so you're having a written dialogue with it. And I still do it to this day. It's an incredibly comforting technique for when I'm, you know, sad or anxious or anything. So I think that's huge. Giving yourself a break, knowing. There's no one way or no right way to deal with grief to do a lot of self care stuff. But especially to do things that you really enjoy. and you might feel bad. Like, I don't even wanna think about that. I don't even wanna do fun things. I don't, I'm so depressed I can't even, you know, go there. But maybe connect with an activity. That you used to do or have always wanted to do? I think movement. Movement is huge for releasing stress and trauma from the body 

[00:19:27] Angela Kennecke: right? No. If I didn't exercise every day, I do it from my mental health. You know, maybe when I was younger I did it more for how I would look or something. But as, I get older, it's definitely. To maintain my mental health and I couldn't exercise the first few weeks after Emily died. I couldn't really do anything right. But as I started to kind of force myself to do that, I found it very helpful as just as a relief. And I don't think you have to, I mean, even walking, getting out in nature, those kinds of things can be so therapeutic.

[00:19:58] Katie Beecher: Same. If I didn't do it, I'd be like yeah. I don't even know. . 

[00:20:00] Angela Kennecke: Yeah. It's just, it's so good for your mental health and for processing so many things throughout the body, I think. But I do feel that a lot of people do get stuck in a loop in their minds. Right. And, and it's hard. You feel guilty if you're experiencing any kind of joy or happiness like you shouldn't be. And I think, how do you talk to people who are. Maybe years have gone by and they don't feel any better. 

[00:20:26] Katie Beecher: Right. No, it's true. One of the things that I, I love to do is to teach people that they can connect to their loved ones in spirit. And I don't feel like there's anything special about me I mean, I have these crazy abilities, but our loved ones in spirit wanna talk to. Far more than they wanna talk to some stranger. You know, mediumship is great and you can get all kinds of information and feel better about it. And I love, love, love doing it. But our loved ones in spirit can hear us.

They can feel us. They send us signals all the time. 

You know, you can write to them and have them write back to you. And you can ask for signals too. But a lot of people feel. They don't know if their loved one's okay. They feel bad doing something, you know, happy or whatever, when their loved one might be in still in pain or not doing okay.

They don't wanna move on, so knowing that you can talk to them at any time and know that they are okay, I think is very comforting and you don't need any special abilities to do it. And I think that can be, that's one of the things that I help people with.

[00:21:37] Angela Kennecke: Do you think that women have more intuition than men? , I feel like I have a lot of intuition and whenever I haven't paid attention to that, whenever I haven't listened to my intuition, whenever I've thought, oh, that everything will be okay. Or that's silly for me to think that way. There's no. Concrete reason, you know, I will get in trouble if I don't follow my intuition. And I wondered if, especially I think moms have a lot of intuition, right? 

[00:22:01] Katie Beecher: I mean, I, I tend to think that it's equal, but I think that women have been more encouraged to use it. 

[00:22:09] Angela Kennecke: You're probably right. Yeah. It's more of a feminine characteristic. Right. 

[00:22:13] Katie Beecher: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's okay for a woman to connect with emotions, to be empathic, to be sensitive, you know being empathic is not the same as being an empath or having intuitive abilities. However the more that you can tune into other people, then you kind of get your radar up for just being in tune in general. So I think that a lot of men that I know tend to use it in. You know, starting business, working with other people, maybe feeling out is this a good investment or is this a good product to buy or whatever. So I think it's getting better, 

[00:22:48] Angela Kennecke: and maybe that's also so hard when we do lose our children because, I mean, I knew something was wrong with my daughter and I was taking steps in action, but then, I should have done it sooner. You know, I think we question ourselves a lot. You know, when we lose a child, 

[00:23:03] Katie Beecher: of course, and with any loss, whether it's from an overdose or a suicide or illness we're always gonna think, could I have done something differently or as a friend or whatever, you know? And I just, I think it's, it's a very slippery slope because most parents I know and friends are extremely loving, caring people and you're trying your best or, or trying harder than your best. You know, you're trying everything that you. And it's kind of easier to try and take control and say, maybe there's something I, I could have done and get mad at yourself rather than feel some of that incredibly unexplainable grief, you know, which just feels like this empty hole. And I think it's easier to just be like, well, maybe I can control my, my guilt or my responsibility. And it's, it's not. 

[00:23:56] Angela Kennecke: Right. Right. Do you have any other advice for people who are grieving? Anything else that they can do? 

[00:24:03] Katie Beecher: Definitely ask for help. Whether you're at the beginning of the journey or, you've been doing it for many years. 

[00:24:09] Angela Kennecke: Well, right. A lot of people feel like they're in it alone. Right. It is a very lonely grief is a very lonely place to be. 

[00:24:16] Katie Beecher: It really is. And it's important to ask for help. It's important to. Be around people who get it, 

[00:24:23] Angela Kennecke: that's hard.

[00:24:24] Katie Beecher: Yeah. can, It can kind of make you feel worse in some ways, because you're like, everybody together is grieving, so it intensifies it, but I also think that to be able to, To know that the person that you're talking to has had a similar. 

[00:24:40] Angela Kennecke: Right. And what I meant by that's hard is, I meant it's hard to be around people who get it because most people don't get it. And, and actually we just started a support group at Emily's Hope, and it's a group of six mothers who've all lost children in similar way. And I'm taking part in that first group because we're helping to, you know, start it and get it going and facilitate it and all of those kinds of things.

And it's so interesting to me. These other women just know, you know, they, I don't have to explain myself. And we're not saying things to each other that are making things worse. 

[00:25:15] Katie Beecher: Right. Right, right, And I also think it's very, very important to be grounded and be in your body, which is so incredibly hard when you're grieving because you just wanna be outta here.

 But the more that you are in your body and. Then you can pick up the signals of if you need to rest, if you're sick, you know, if your grief is manifesting physically or emotionally. If we're not in tune and not here and not present, we can't pick that up. And so those are the things that lead to addiction and, all the related things.

[00:25:50] Angela Kennecke: Right, right. It is very hard though in our society and in our culture. I'm a type A personality, so I may be having a hard day or a little more stressed or not feeling so great, but it's hard for me to stop and listen to my body. That's a, can be a really hard thing to do. We're expected to keep going and producing.

[00:26:08] Katie Beecher: I have this thing that I like to call the feather and the sledgehammer, if you get a brush of a feather, meaning if you feel a little tired, get a little sore throat maybe. People cancel on you. Any number of little things maybe you get a little stomach a something and you choose to ignore those rather than pay attention and take action, then our body and spirit has to come along and whack us over the head.

Because that's the only way that we're gonna pay attention. And believe me, I've been there. You know, I, I try to be more feather oriented. The more I know about this stuff. 

[00:26:48] Angela Kennecke: I'm smiling because I have to be whacked over the head for sure. Just, to stop me and then I, then I just get knocked down and I can't get back up. Right. So I I'll get something severe. Yeah, Because I ignored all the little things and I just kept going. 

[00:27:01] Katie Beecher: And there's a lot of purpose, you know, in getting really sick or getting into an accident or whatever, and it really shuts you down.

it's also fascinating because like when people get sick or whatever they think, it gives them an excuse to say no, you know, to do more self care, to be like, I can't do that thing you want me to do, or whatever. And people don't realize that you don't need an excuse. 

You can just use your voice. so sometimes having something bad or scary happen to you. Is really a catalyst, like with me, the eating disorder and depression and stuff. I am so grateful for it because I would not have found self-love. I would not have separated from people who were really negative. I wouldn't have found my voice, so it was really a necessary thing. 

[00:27:49] Angela Kennecke: it's hard to be grateful for the suffering, that's for sure. I mean, yes, but good can come out of suffering and it can teach us a lot no matter what that suffering is, whether that suffering is dealing with the mental illness, dealing with an addiction, dealing with the loss. There's multitudes of suffering out there. Right. But it can teach us a lot.

[00:28:07] Katie Beecher: It definitely can. And I'm not trying to be Paula any about it, you know, recovering and that whole period in my life was absolutely the most difficult thing I've ever done, so that's not to say that any of it was easy, and I think when you lose a child, that is just beyond anything comprehensible.

Some people go on to do things in honor of their kids. You know, like you have. It can change people's lives in a lot of ways, you know, positively and negatively. But everybody does things differently and that's okay. 

[00:28:39] Angela Kennecke: and I always say that, you know, you, you find what works for you. You don't have to do what I did. You know, I had a unique circumstances and everybody's circumstances are different. Right? So you have to do what works for you in your life.

How would you suggest that people get better in touch with their intuition? How do you. 

[00:28:57] Katie Beecher: Yeah, I mean, my favorite thing is that written technique that I just, explained. 

What I like about the writing part is when you try to connect with intuition in your head, you can get very distracted. , there's sounds and things and, and what am I having for dinner and, and all of this stuff. 

So when you sit down to write, first of all, you have to stop what you're doing. And you're looking at the piece of paper, you have the pens, so you're kinesthetically involved, you know, your body's involved with it. It becomes more of a whole experience, and I like to call it a mindfulness meditation. I think meditating is hard under the best of circumstances, but socially when you're breathing, right? So that is my very favorite technique. And you can also talk to your body in the same way I talk to my eating. When I had it, like, what do you want me to know? Why are you here? How can I help you heal? 

Talk to the grief and ask it. What can I do to help you? You know, how can we get through this together? And instead of thinking of it as a total enemy in something that you have to push down or hate, Befriending it a little bit sometimes can make a big difference.

[00:30:05] Angela Kennecke: One thing I learned early on in my grief, because I'm a researcher, so I look for answers and solutions, right? And I look to other people who've been through something similar, and I learned pretty quickly that there was no antidote. So there was no pill I could take or drink. I could drink, or something I could read, or something I could say or think about that would take it away.

I learned that very quickly, and so I discovered that I had to just be in my. No matter how painful that was, and it wouldn't kill me or last forever. Right? Like it, it lingers grief lingers, but the intensity of the grief decides. 

[00:30:48] Katie Beecher: Yeah. I mean, definitely pushing it away or pushing it down often makes it stronger.

[00:30:54] Angela Kennecke: Right. 

[00:30:54] Katie Beecher: A lot of it is just being in that pain and it's horrible. I feel like I'm gonna die, but I haven't died. , like you said, there's no magic pill, it's something you'll have with you in some form or another. 

[00:31:08] Angela Kennecke: And most people, I think, would rather find a way to avoid all that pain. Right? If we could, we would all, I mean, that's human instinct, right? 

[00:31:16] Katie Beecher: It's why addictions are so prevalent. 

[00:31:18] Angela Kennecke: more so than ever, because we live in a very broken world. 

[00:31:21] Katie Beecher: Yeah, we do. It's true. true.

[00:31:24] Angela Kennecke: Well, do you have any party words of advice for people? Anything you like to leave people. 

[00:31:29] Katie Beecher: I would like to share again, that you are connected with your loved ones in spirit. They're always with you. You can talk to them at any time. It's not your imagination. It's not wishful thinking. Don't doubt it. don't have to prove it to anyone. And so many people who've lost loved ones would totally agree with me. They already know this, you know. Right before my grandfather died. In fact, the night before he showed up at my grandmother's house and was sitting in his chair plain as day he had been in hospice.

And that was her way of knowing that he passed, And I actually, helped him pass the next day. But if you were open to things and, and I've had people say, well, they used to show me signs, you know, they used to show me they were there. I used to. Just keep asking for it. Talk to them. When you hear the voices in your head, that's all real. 

[00:32:21] Angela Kennecke: Why do you think that is that somebody maybe would have some signs initially and then they would kind of, the so signs would kind of fade away. 

[00:32:28] Katie Beecher: that's a great question. I often feel like sometimes they're there at first to be really comforting and then, The person in spirit feels like they really want their loved one to move on. And so by keeping sending them signs, it's a way of keeping them kind of attached to them instead of moving forward.

Maybe they think that it makes them sad cuz sometimes it can you know, I, I've seen things like that for sure. 

[00:32:54] Angela Kennecke: But keep talking, that's your advice. Keep talking and keep up the conversation. And you're not the only person who's told me that on this podcast. I talked to a grief expert who said how important it is to write to your loved one, to write to them. 

[00:33:06] Katie Beecher: just find something that for you is helpful and yeah, go easy on yourself and do a lot of nurturing. 

[00:33:13] Angela Kennecke: Yeah. Being kind to yourself is such an important. Such an important thing. So thank you so much for joining me on the podcast. I've enjoyed our conversation. 

[00:33:23] Katie Beecher: Oh, thank you so much. I hope it's helpful for people.

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[00:33:25] Angela Kennecke: Thanks for listening to this episode of Grieving Out Loud. If you're looking for more podcasts and resources for help, head over to our website, Emily's Hope dot charity. Together we can raise awareness about our country's drug crisis and hopefully prevent future tragedies. Thanks again for tuning in. Until next time, wishing you faith, hope, and courage. 

This podcast is produced by Casey Wonnenberg King and Anna Fey..

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